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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to

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have your paradigm shifted into truths

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questioned and now shattered reality

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okay yeah here we are again this is

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number can you believe it 64 okay that's

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great and today I'm going to slate today

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is March 13th 2018 and we have a

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fabulous guest today as usual almost all

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our guests are fabulous because we only

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have very interesting guests on

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shattered reality but this gentleman has

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written nine books to date I believe he

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will correct me if I am wrong I am sure

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but I believe he has written nine books

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and we are going to be speaking about

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his second to last book in other words

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we will mention any in all of his books

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but we will be primarily speaking about

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his second to last book called opening

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the doors of perception the key to

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cosmic awareness now our guest has been

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a professional writer for a number of

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years he's also very well established in

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the business community but he has had

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some very unusual experiences of his own

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in the area of consciousness that has

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caused him to delve deeply into that

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field and I mean deeply his books are

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very interesting slightly complicated

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and very thought-provoking so now I

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would like to welcome our guest Anthony

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peek welcome to the show Anthony

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wonderful to be with you guys really

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really in looking forward to this

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interview so are we and we are basically

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you spoke of consciousness and how at

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one point your mind changed about the

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nature of consciousness most of our

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listeners are used to hearing us speak

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to some extent about our idea about

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consciousness and the mind being like a

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radio receiver and that consciousness is

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above other things it's above the

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material universe in a certain sense

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insofar as it precedes consciousness is

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over is the primary factor in life and

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it's the factor that we cannot explain

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so readily in terms of materialist

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reductionist paradigms so if you could

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if you don't mind tell us when you reach

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that point where things changed for you

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where you realize that perhaps the

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physical world was not all that sure no

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absolutely for most of my life I've been

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what I would term a very precise

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materias reductionist in that by

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training I'm a sociologist I studied

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sociology at university and I also

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studied at university the sociology of

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belief systems and suchlike

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but ever since I was very very young

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I've been fascinated by extraordinary

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experiences that people have had but my

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approach had always been that these

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extraordinary experiences and

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misinterpretations of how the brain

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works so in other words the idea that

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consciousness is in a technical term an

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epiphenomenon of brain brain processes

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so in other words consciousness evolved

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as part and parcel of the human brain as

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the human brain evolved and that there's

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a direct one-to-one relation

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between what consciousnesses and and

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brain processes ran and it was only when

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my first book that I started to realize

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that it is far more complex than this

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the the whole materialist paradigm that

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the that consciousness really is just

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the brain started it started I started

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the fact that consciousness is something

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completely non-physical it doesn't have

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through our bodies we we interface with

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in linear time within everything else so

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more and as I started to question the

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the actual status of reality the way in

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which the physical reality around us

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universe we think is physical and solid

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nothing there and indeed everything we

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perceive is is presented to us by our

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senses which then our brains process and

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is there is a spiritual something that

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is using the body almost like I don't

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know like somebody who dives into the

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deep depths of the ocean the this body

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that we use this meat machine that we

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this simulation that we live within and

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it came as quite a shock to me because

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arguing for many many years with my

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mother particularly who was was quite a

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religious lady was that you know that

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what you believe is nonsense but as you

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get older you start to realize that

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knowledge starts to be tempered by

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wisdom

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come in here and you have life

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experiences that gives you a totally

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different world view of exactly what is

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taking place and to meet people who are

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very much grounded in the materialist

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reductionist worldview are not taking

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the evidence as life tells you they're

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actually placing it within a framework

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that they believe is the correct

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framework of life and unfortunately that

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framework for the vast majority of

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people he's stuck in the science of the

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late 1890s they haven't progressed any

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up to being with the quantum physicists

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reductionist people particularly that

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the extremely skeptical people they are

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terrified because if they let go of the

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solid reality what they perceive as the

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solid reality around them I think that

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they would lose all all moorings all

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their moorings is the best way that I

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can put in and they seem terrified to me

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and their insistence upon simply the as

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you say the late 18th century model of

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physics is as part and parcel of that

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because once they realize that the table

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isn't really solid and the fact that if

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a person such as you or I or Kate has an

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intention and is strong enough about it

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one can even shift reality a little bit

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in in very and it's very small doses no

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and the issue really is that there is a

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wonderful word in English called hubris

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idea that we know everything and I'm

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reminded of the fact in 1894 a guy

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called mitchellson whose

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guy that was involved in the mitchellson

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Morley experiment which disproved the

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existence of the ether was opening an

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extension to the University of Chicago

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and he made this grandiose statement

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university and he couldn't make up his

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physics tutor and said what do I do

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about this and the physics tutor said

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rather similarly to mitchellson said

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understand everything there is to know

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about physics so this young man still

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decided he would become a physicist and

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that young man's name was Max Planck Max

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government to make to effectively make

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energy and in December of 1900 he stood

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physics in Berlin and made a statement

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called quanta so effectively the man

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the impact of the the information he was

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receiving you know he completely through

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was an act of desperation to make it

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of relativity and suddenly the whole

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world changes and suddenly what they

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nature of reality was out of the window

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now the big question we have now is even

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more profound because in 1999 a young

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hard problem with science is how

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understanding that so they have that

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problem they also have the problem they

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a simple one there are two central forms

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of science at the moment there is on one

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deals with the very very big if you use

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you get infinity so clearly we have two

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elements of knowledge fields that don't

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make any sense when related to each

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other which suggests that there's there

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a deeper reality of understanding and

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me is consciousness because quantum

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worry you want a mysterious reductionist

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scientist just turn to him and turn

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around and say about the collapse of the

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wavefunction and how it is that the act

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of observation the act of measurement

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they have no idea how that happens and

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they do not understand how it takes

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new paradigm of science and that has to

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know for instance you guys know out

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there and people out there who were

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listening to this many of you have had

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extraordinary experiences you've had

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prec ignition experiences you've had out

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of the body experiences remote viewing

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experiences contact with people that

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have passed over these things have

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having happening since records began we

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cannot ignore them it is bad science to

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ignore them and science needs to wake up

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and smell the coffee I agree a thousand

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percent and I also agree that

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consciousness is fundamental and

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furthermore the experiment the

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double-slit experiments that you have

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mentioned and we have spoken about on

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shadow of reality at other times to me

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that if we take that as an example we

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can see how intention that is the act of

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observing something that may occur in

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the future we intend that we'll go to

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the doctor and we'll get a good bill of

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health let us say as opposed to thinking

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only fear about it I think that we can

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shift reality a little bit by paying

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attention to the to the the I'm looking

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for the word the quanta and therefore

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manipulating things a little bit looking

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for the best outcome to our problems but

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that is on a much smaller level so

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Anthony you have written a number of

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books we want to give you an opportunity

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to talk perhaps speak to some of the

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books that you have written particularly

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the one that we will not particularly be

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covering today about JB Priestley

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is the British author of plays please

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play right I believe do you want to just

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mention a little bit about that book of

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for those who may be familiar and then

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we'll get back to opening the doors of

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perception absolutely thank you for

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giving me the opportunity to talk about

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Priestley because I know that he's not

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terribly well-known in America but JB

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Priestley was a writer born at the turn

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of the 19th century fought in the First

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World War and then after leaving that

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after completing the First World War

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then went up to Cambridge and did his

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degree in Cambridge but he was always

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fascinated by the things we're talking

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about now consciousness how

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consciousness is within reality and

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everything else and Priestley was an

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intriguing man because he when he was in

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a teenager he was reading about the

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concept of Vedanta you know the Hindu

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idea that we exist within that

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everything we exist within is is a mind

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generated illusion and that the concept

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of Maya Maya illusion we live within and

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he was very keen to writing his plays

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and his novels these things and what he

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did was he wrote a series of novels and

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some fascinating plays and in each of

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his plays he deals with

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the the biggest mystery of human

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experience the mystery of time exactly

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what is time when we talk about time

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what do we mean by time and his he wrote

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a series of plays that dealt with the

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problem of time right from his very

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earliest plays dangerous corner for

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instance is a fascinating play because

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the the end is the beginning so it's

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circular so you have this kind of

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eternal recurrence eternal return

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concept but then he became interested in

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the writings of of young and he also

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became particularly interested in the

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writings of a German philosopher by the

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name of

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Taurus Penske and also a fairly obscure

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anglo-irish aeronautical engineer by the

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name of John William Dunn and John

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William Dunn wrote a book in 1929 called

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an experiment with time and in this book

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done it's quite intriguing Don had a

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series of dreams way back in the early

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nineteen oh four 1905 where he dreamt

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about events that subsequently he read

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about in newspapers and he came to

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believe that our dreams consist of

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elements of things that have yet to

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happen and our dreams change them into a

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kind of a dream sequence and he wanted

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to get these ideas across so he wrote

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this phenomenal play called time in the

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Conway's and in time in the Conway's we

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have three acts the first act is a group

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of individuals in 1919 in in a wealthy

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community in the north of England and at

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the end of the first act the central

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character Kay Conway falls asleep and

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the curtain comes down and the next act

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starts and the next act is 1937 and you

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see Kay and you see that the the

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fashions have changed and everything

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else but of course in a normal play this

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is the kind of thing plays do you know

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there's a time switch and everything

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else sure but what is clever about time

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in the Conway's is as the second act

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progresses you realize that something

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for more complex going on you realize

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that Kay Conway herself is actually

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dreaming the future and she reacts in

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certain circumstances to events that

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take place in the the people tell her

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and then at the end of the firt the

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second act and into the third the third

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act starts and she's back at the end of

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the first act with the knowledge of the

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future that she'd been given in the

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second act I won't ruin the play for you

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but it is phenomenally clever it sounds

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wonderful

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it sounds beautiful and I think that

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although most of our listeners are

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regular

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listeners probably aren't aware of mr.

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Priestley they certainly are aware of

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another person you wrote about which is

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philip k dick he is an extremely popular

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figure in the consciousness world and

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people who listen to our program so I

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think that some of the things or some of

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the elements are probably similar in

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their work

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am I correct Oh totally I mean it's one

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of the things that intrigues me is to

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the way in which JB Priestley is

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considered to be even in the UK here to

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be a very very old-fashioned slightly

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arch writer of 1930s period dramas when

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in fact he was so far ahead of the curve

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people don't even realize how far ahead

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he was as was the gas was the game with

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philip k dick you know in my book the

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man that remembered the future I put

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forward a case that philip k dick was

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was was accessing information from

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somewhere else from the field whether we

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want to call it the Akashic record or

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whatever but effectively dick himself

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writes on various occasions that he

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experienced his own plots in his own

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future

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in other words he would write a plan a

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novel or a short story and then many

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years later he would find himself living

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that short story and he would suddenly

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realize and think my god I've already

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written about this I'm now living an

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experience that I wrote about years ago

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and he came up with this wonderful

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concept that he called orthogonal time

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which is very similar to the the

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theories of JW done that Priestley was

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influenced by I believe all these

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writers there's a kind of a groundswell

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as I twice a veldt Geist of of knowledge

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that people can access under certain

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states of consciousness and I believe

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that both Priestley and Dick were

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accessing this kind of information

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now philip k dick would argue that

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orthogonal time there is a time behind

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the time we perceive which

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at right angles to this time where it is

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a permanent present now if anybody's

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seen the movie interstellar you will

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remember in interstellar there's a

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sequence called a tesseract sequence

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were the central character is able to

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look back on the life of his daughter

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and you see the daughter's life as would

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be seen by somebody observing time our

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time linear time from outside time with

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in orthogonal time so effectively you

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see time as a permanent present so in

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which case prek ignition and distance

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viewing remote viewing out-of-body

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experiences

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suddenly become more sensible because we

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are trapped within linear time within

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this particular world within this

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particular simulation we live within but

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with outside of the simulation there's a

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different form of time now there's

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something called the this these specious

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present which psychologists talk about

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and it's the idea of what is now what is

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the moment of now but for different

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creatures the period of what is now is

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broader and philip k dick argued this in

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his movie and there in his novel

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Minority Report his short story Minority

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Report which was made into a movie with

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Tom Cruise

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you will recall there are characters

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they're called precogs and what precogs

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do is that this spurious their specious

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present is wider it's longer they can

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perceive there now is not a split second

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but it's 5 minutes or 10 minutes but

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it's absolutely no reason as to why we

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cannot perceive things outside of time

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which would explain so many things that

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psychologists are discovering about

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perception you know I can go into detail

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later about this because in my books the

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most important thing you have to realize

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about my books is I start from science I

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start from science and then I take the

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science and apply the science to the

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experiences people have rather than a

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lot of writers in the new-age world who

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actually take the experiences and then

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try to back explain them using the

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science I do

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yes you you you very much do and I'm

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very appreciative of that though I also

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think that cataloging experiences can be

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useful I mean it's almost like a

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different kind of anthropology which is

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just if I could just interject here just

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for one second and then I'll let you two

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go but obviously you know there it's

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been some very useful advances

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especially in medicine using scientific

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the so called scientific method which is

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collecting data which you want to do as

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far as collecting events there's a

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definite method I mean if you're a

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biochemist and you want to develop a new

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antibiotic there's certain steps you

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take and then hopefully you acquire that

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knowledge what I don't see in to me it

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seems you say there's energy there's

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matter and then there's a super

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consciousness I don't see what steps

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you're taking to investigate that

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particular field or if there's any

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indeed if there's any steps to be taken

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the issue that the major problem is is

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that modern science in its present form

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deals with physical objects right and we

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deal with non physical objects that what

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data are you collecting exactly that's

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the challenge the challenge is the only

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way we can scientifically quantify such

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things is by asking the experiencer what

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they experience and then you have the

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problem of the way in which the brain

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functions in the way in which my brain

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but in religious reality but it's me but

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you're collapsing waves again in other

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words the person that experiences these

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events has collapsed it into that

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person's reality so it's gonna be very

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difficult and I think that that's a

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problem in the field

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okay no I'm with you on this I think

554
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:32,130
I'll mate it's too bad it's too bad

555
00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:34,530
because you know it would be a great

556
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,470
feel to get into but it's it's gonna be

557
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:39,840
you're right it is a challenge well one

558
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:42,810
of the things I mean III work with with

559
00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:45,000
scientists regularly and it's one of the

560
00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:47,880
issues that we are dismayed criticisms

561
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,590
that people have of my

562
00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:51,360
work materials reductionists half of my

563
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:53,940
work are saying worry was your

564
00:27:00,440 --> 00:26:56,340
experimental proof but the thing is we

565
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:00,450
are dealing with ephemeral experiences

566
00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:03,210
you can't quantify like if somebody has

567
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:06,390
a precognitive DejaVu sensation you

568
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:08,610
can't you can't reproduce that in

569
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:11,130
laboratory conditions in the way in

570
00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:14,130
which science would demand it you can't

571
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,070
do it right exactly you cannot use

572
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:19,039
scientific methods to investigate

573
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:21,960
investigating so you would have to

574
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:23,940
develop a whole new field but if there

575
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:27,450
are results that are true if someone has

576
00:27:33,159 --> 00:27:29,370
an out-of-body experience and they're

577
00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:33,169
laying on a bed that's verifiable in the

578
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:36,179
hospital in London and in their

579
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:40,020
out-of-body they go to Cardiff and they

580
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:44,130
see their mother Johnson but but this

581
00:27:48,980 --> 00:27:46,529
thing of it is is for that person it's

582
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,990
true but what Anthony is trying to

583
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:50,640
develop is something that's true for

584
00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:53,340
everybody and that's understandable for

585
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,840
everybody and that's where it's

586
00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:56,640
difficulty comes in and you're hitting

587
00:28:01,880 --> 00:27:58,380
the nail on the head here this is the

588
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:01,890
issue that somebody will have an out of

589
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:04,289
the body experience and will bring back

590
00:28:10,220 --> 00:28:07,289
information that they couldn't

591
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:10,230
ordinarily know about but the problem is

592
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:12,510
there are other ways that that I believe

593
00:28:16,580 --> 00:28:14,039
that they are out of their body and they

594
00:28:18,409 --> 00:28:16,590
do perceive things but taking the point

595
00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:18,419
of view of an ardent materias

596
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:20,309
reductionist they would say but there

597
00:28:24,860 --> 00:28:21,720
are other ways that that information

598
00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:24,870
could be acquired what we need is the

599
00:28:29,539 --> 00:28:27,630
smoking gun but even if we end up with a

600
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:29,549
smoking gun they will then fall back on

601
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:31,289
the arguments say it's coincidence and

602
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,049
they do that time and time again I have

603
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:36,480
so many cases of pre cognitive

604
00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:38,460
experiences out of the body experiences

605
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,260
for instance as an associate of mine

606
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:42,240
called Graham Nichols now when I wrote

607
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,250
my book the out-of-body experience a few

608
00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:47,279
years ago Graham approached me because I

609
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:49,220
was very much in that book taking a

610
00:28:54,409 --> 00:28:52,380
Furley grounded material adduction estar

611
00:28:56,899 --> 00:28:54,419
Gyu Minh to say that all out-of-body

612
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:56,909
experiences are internal experiences

613
00:29:01,379 --> 00:28:58,140
that are allied with him the Gaggia

614
00:29:03,869 --> 00:29:01,389
there have allied with dream sequences

615
00:29:06,239 --> 00:29:03,879
Grainne said you're wrong because he

616
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,249
said he knew from his own experience

617
00:29:12,139 --> 00:29:09,039
that he had had an out of the body

618
00:29:14,339 --> 00:29:12,149
experience that he acquired information

619
00:29:16,589 --> 00:29:14,349
that he couldn't have possibly done so

620
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:16,599
and what what happened with Graham it

621
00:29:22,919 --> 00:29:19,690
still stuns me and I cannot explain this

622
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:22,929
and I've challenged top scientists on

623
00:29:28,229 --> 00:29:26,049
this and they cannot explain it and he

624
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,239
has witnesses to this Graham was there

625
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:29,679
was lecturing on and out of the body

626
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:32,289
experience course and suddenly he felt

627
00:29:36,919 --> 00:29:35,289
his legs go and he collapsed and he went

628
00:29:39,149 --> 00:29:36,929
into an altered state of consciousness

629
00:29:41,009 --> 00:29:39,159
while he was in the altered states of

630
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:41,019
consciousness he found himself in a

631
00:29:46,769 --> 00:29:43,809
jungle and he could feel the heat and he

632
00:29:49,019 --> 00:29:46,779
found himself walking through plants and

633
00:29:51,509 --> 00:29:49,029
trees and everything else and he parted

634
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:51,519
the trees to step out of the trees to

635
00:29:56,489 --> 00:29:54,369
find himself standing on the corner of

636
00:30:00,719 --> 00:29:56,499
Wardour Street and another Street in

637
00:30:04,049 --> 00:30:00,729
central London in Soho he was it back in

638
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,059
London and he said it was so real I felt

639
00:30:07,499 --> 00:30:05,919
somebody run past me a young lad ran

640
00:30:09,569 --> 00:30:07,509
past him when he felt the displacement

641
00:30:12,089 --> 00:30:09,579
of the earth he then looked down the

642
00:30:15,209 --> 00:30:12,099
street and as he did so he saw an

643
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:15,219
explosion take place in a public house

644
00:30:19,619 --> 00:30:17,529
halfway down the street he then saw

645
00:30:22,979 --> 00:30:19,629
people staggering out covered in blood

646
00:30:25,109 --> 00:30:22,989
he then his voices and the voices are

647
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,119
going grey and grey more you're okay and

648
00:30:29,579 --> 00:30:26,799
these were the people in the lecture

649
00:30:32,099 --> 00:30:29,589
theatre and he feels himself rising out

650
00:30:34,139 --> 00:30:32,109
of this dream sequence and he's coming

651
00:30:38,069 --> 00:30:34,149
to in the lecture theatre the first

652
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:38,079
thing he says is to six witnesses and he

653
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:40,329
says there is going to be a terrorist

654
00:30:47,099 --> 00:30:44,849
attack in Soho in old Compton Street

655
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:47,109
soon and there's going to be people

656
00:30:55,049 --> 00:30:52,809
killed five days later a bomb destroys a

657
00:30:58,109 --> 00:30:55,059
camp up called the Admiral the Admiral

658
00:31:00,989 --> 00:30:58,119
Duncan a gay pub in central London and a

659
00:31:03,779 --> 00:31:00,999
nail bomb went off in exactly and I mean

660
00:31:06,329 --> 00:31:03,789
exactly the location the Graham

661
00:31:09,659 --> 00:31:06,339
described to these witnesses he has

662
00:31:12,029 --> 00:31:09,669
signed affidavits from five people even

663
00:31:14,730 --> 00:31:12,039
so the critics when I cite this will

664
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:14,740
turn around and say it's coincidence

665
00:31:18,750 --> 00:31:17,050
and you can never argue with that you

666
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:18,760
can never get round that they will say

667
00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:21,570
it's coincidence however powerful app

668
00:31:27,090 --> 00:31:24,340
recognition is they can always draw on

669
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:27,100
coincidence what would be the purpose of

670
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:28,840
the jungle in that I mean did he have

671
00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:33,010
any I just curiously I just as to why he

672
00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:34,900
was given this information no as to why

673
00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:37,420
he initially thought he was in a jungle

674
00:31:42,299 --> 00:31:40,270
and then came I don't know he he and I

675
00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:42,309
discussed it yeah he and I have

676
00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:43,750
discussed this a lot I mean we've done

677
00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:45,280
events together and he and I have

678
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:47,590
interviewed I mean there is there is on

679
00:31:51,030 --> 00:31:49,570
your on YouTube if you put in Anthony

680
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,040
Peake and Graham Nichols you actually

681
00:31:56,730 --> 00:31:53,200
see me interviewing him at the point in

682
00:32:00,780 --> 00:31:56,740
London that he had this this vision take

683
00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:00,790
place or whatever it's very very

684
00:32:05,419 --> 00:32:02,740
intriguing he says that he knows when

685
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:05,429
his out-of-body experiences are

686
00:32:09,450 --> 00:32:07,330
precognitive because he calls it the

687
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:09,460
cerulean effect he says that there's a

688
00:32:16,290 --> 00:32:13,170
kind of a tinge of blue in the earth and

689
00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:16,300
we're working on this Graham and I were

690
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:17,950
working with with other scientists

691
00:32:22,620 --> 00:32:19,750
because we're trying to find ways of

692
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:22,630
working with this now I'm also working

693
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:26,080
with two Austrian guys doctor Engelbert

694
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Winkler and dr. Dirk Procol Engelbert

695
00:32:32,610 --> 00:32:30,730
Winkler is the consultant psychologist

696
00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:32,620
and vinkor is a consultant neurologist

697
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:34,600
they have invented a machine called the

698
00:32:39,510 --> 00:32:36,670
lucid light device the hypnagogic light

699
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:39,520
device I believe that this device

700
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:44,080
actually stimulates the pineal gland to

701
00:32:49,650 --> 00:32:47,410
to synthesize dimethyltryptamine within

702
00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:49,660
the brain and it then brings about

703
00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:51,880
altered states of consciousness so I

704
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,590
believe we're in the circumstance where

705
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,559
we can actually probably engineer

706
00:33:03,480 --> 00:32:58,720
altered states of consciousness in

707
00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:03,490
somebody and then try to try and do

708
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:05,320
brain scans to find out what's going on

709
00:33:09,260 --> 00:33:07,570
in the brain at that point in time so

710
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:09,270
here we are starting to try and get

711
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,120
tangible evidence I actually think a lot

712
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,480
of that went on in the sixties to I

713
00:33:21,090 --> 00:33:18,640
think a lot of that went on in the 60s

714
00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:21,100
as well what what what is your end point

715
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:23,470
to this I mean what would be the purpose

716
00:33:27,170 --> 00:33:25,690
of studying this is there a purpose or

717
00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:27,180
is it just pure knowledge

718
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:30,990
I mean just out of curiosity the

719
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:34,170
greatest mystery for me and has always

720
00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:37,530
been I am something experiencing

721
00:33:42,050 --> 00:33:39,870
something okay I will experience

722
00:33:44,930 --> 00:33:42,060
something for a finite amount of time I

723
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:44,940
will have not existed for billions of

724
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:46,860
years and according to the modern

725
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:48,570
paradigm of science I will cease to

726
00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:51,450
exist for billions of years I find that

727
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:55,860
to be totally ridiculous but that is

728
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,290
what the evidence tells us so for me my

729
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:00,240
life and my life for the last 20 years

730
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,050
has been singularly and focus Lee to

731
00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:07,200
understand exactly what consciousness is

732
00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:09,600
when we people have out of the body

733
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:11,190
experience is exactly what is taking

734
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:18,600
place and we in order to facilitate the

735
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:22,290
next paradigm of science we have to move

736
00:34:27,860 --> 00:34:25,320
away from the material reductionist

737
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,870
model which I totally agree has been

738
00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:30,000
wonderful we would not be talking now

739
00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:33,390
without the advances made by the

740
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:35,550
material reductionist model Newtonian

741
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:38,250
physics and quantum physics are the

742
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:40,650
things that make things happen but

743
00:34:47,540 --> 00:34:44,520
clearly we need to understand and it is

744
00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:47,550
the human we are here to understand

745
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:50,580
exactly what we are and I believe we are

746
00:34:54,890 --> 00:34:52,410
at the time now that we are in a

747
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:54,900
position because of the way in which our

748
00:34:59,450 --> 00:34:57,210
culture is developing that we have the

749
00:35:01,640 --> 00:34:59,460
worldview to understand things in

750
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,650
greater detail for example we have

751
00:35:06,380 --> 00:35:04,320
virtual reality now we have oculus rifts

752
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:06,390
we have ways and means that we can

753
00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:08,130
simulate realities that are

754
00:35:13,850 --> 00:35:11,150
three-dimensional that feel totally real

755
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:13,860
we are now in the position that we can

756
00:35:20,330 --> 00:35:16,710
think about the idea that the reality we

757
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:20,340
perceive is brain created you know what

758
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:24,540
unruhe Bergson argued and and what many

759
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:25,950
many of the philosophers have argued

760
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:29,280
that the reality we perceive as is as

761
00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:33,720
much an hallucination as dreams are it

762
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,820
is just that they are consensual because

763
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:37,200
we seemingly share them with other

764
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:40,260
people so my aim and my drive you know

765
00:35:43,870 --> 00:35:40,890
and I'm now

766
00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:43,880
in my mid-60s so I know I only have

767
00:35:49,069 --> 00:35:47,369
probably 10 years of my brain being able

768
00:35:52,460 --> 00:35:49,079
to function enough to be able to do the

769
00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:52,470
things I'm doing to try and push

770
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:55,049
humanity forward because this is the

771
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,420
great mystery when we die where do we go

772
00:36:03,049 --> 00:36:00,240
do we just die do we just disappear are

773
00:36:05,029 --> 00:36:03,059
we just links in a genetic chain is it

774
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:05,039
that we are misunderstanding the brain

775
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:07,079
as you know in one of my books I argue

776
00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:10,440
that we are so neuronal in the sense of

777
00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:12,420
we believe the brain works through the

778
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:14,670
neurons I argue the brain works through

779
00:36:19,099 --> 00:36:17,460
the glial cells and there is a totally

780
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,109
different communication the glial cells

781
00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:21,599
communicate non-locally we are now

782
00:36:26,269 --> 00:36:23,670
developing some very very interesting

783
00:36:28,759 --> 00:36:26,279
ideas and it's where humanity will go

784
00:36:31,759 --> 00:36:28,769
forward it's almost post humanism in

785
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:31,769
there Nitin is this going to all be in

786
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:34,890
your book that you're writing now I

787
00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:40,079
assume the companion book the opening

788
00:36:45,529 --> 00:36:42,359
new doors number two so to speak

789
00:36:47,779 --> 00:36:45,539
yeah the new book is is my attempt it

790
00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:47,789
was in my publisher actually requested I

791
00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:49,859
wrote this book unusually because

792
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:51,180
normally I go to my publisher to say

793
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:53,369
this is what I'd like to write but this

794
00:36:58,220 --> 00:36:55,500
one I'm taking in opening the doors of

795
00:37:00,349 --> 00:36:58,230
perception as you know I discuss the

796
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:00,359
subjective experiences of hallucinations

797
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:03,900
and various other things that people

798
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:06,210
experience but when they experience

799
00:37:09,620 --> 00:37:07,650
these things that they encounter

800
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:09,630
entities and beings that seem to have

801
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:12,960
their own motivations when somebody has

802
00:37:18,259 --> 00:37:15,900
a lucid dream you know I cite Robert

803
00:37:21,279 --> 00:37:18,269
Wagner the the lucid dream writer yes

804
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:21,289
when he has experienced in lucid dreams

805
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:24,240
entities that seem to have their own

806
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:27,180
motivations the new book is saying well

807
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:28,710
let's go through the doors of perception

808
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:31,849
and look at the viewpoint from outside

809
00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:35,490
the doors of perception what is going on

810
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:38,670
there is there a greater reality that

811
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:40,529
the reducing engine which is the brain

812
00:37:44,569 --> 00:37:41,910
denies us

813
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:44,579
now again onry Bergson argue that the

814
00:37:50,269 --> 00:37:47,490
brain is a reducing engine it takes out

815
00:37:53,089 --> 00:37:50,279
information in order for us to be able

816
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:53,099
to survive within this simulation now

817
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,450
there is there

818
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:56,160
a lot of research now being done about

819
00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:57,930
the idea of the holographic nature of

820
00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:00,660
reality that reality works on

821
00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:03,150
holographic principles and it works on

822
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,670
informational principles in other words

823
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:08,160
everything we perceive is actually based

824
00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:12,930
on information and reality is created by

825
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:15,060
a conscious mind reacting with the

826
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:18,930
information field now again this is to

827
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,910
do and it's fascinating this this is

828
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:23,520
directly to do with black holes and it's

829
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:25,140
directly to do with the research of

830
00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:27,450
Stephen Hawking and his discovery of

831
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:30,150
something called Hawking radiation it's

832
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,040
very very intriguing stuff there is a

833
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:34,800
group of Israeli researchers at the

834
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:37,859
moment jacob bekenstein is one of the

835
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:39,690
guys in question and again if anybody's

836
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:40,980
out there listening to this don't take

837
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:43,500
my words for this there was four or five

838
00:38:48,859 --> 00:38:46,859
years ago an edition of Scientific

839
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:48,869
American written written and the

840
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:50,460
articles written by Joseph Jacob

841
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:53,130
bekenstein and he's discussing exactly

842
00:38:58,220 --> 00:38:56,520
how it is that you can prove using the

843
00:39:00,559 --> 00:38:58,230
theories of black holes and everything

844
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:00,569
else that this is a hologram we are

845
00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:03,420
inside a massive hologram the question

846
00:39:09,260 --> 00:39:07,140
is is the hologram created are we living

847
00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:09,270
in a simulation and again there is

848
00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:10,950
arguments from people like Nick Bostrom

849
00:39:14,780 --> 00:39:13,020
and there's various philosophers that

850
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:14,790
are very much taken and the guy called

851
00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:16,260
Black Cove a drought who's one of the

852
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:18,420
world's top leading quantum physicists

853
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:20,760
at the moment very young guy he's very

854
00:39:25,309 --> 00:39:22,920
much coming to the conclusion Elan musk

855
00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:25,319
you're a famous American guy recently

856
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:27,150
made this statement that it's a

857
00:39:31,309 --> 00:39:29,310
simulation that we are existing in a

858
00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:31,319
simulation so I think what is happening

859
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:33,000
is the collective consciousness of

860
00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:35,460
humanity it's starting to now build

861
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:38,390
together to break out of the simulation

862
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:41,099
to realize that there is a greater

863
00:39:45,319 --> 00:39:43,260
something out there that were trapped

864
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:45,329
within do you remember the old adage of

865
00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:49,410
Plato's cave you know the idea that you

866
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:51,180
know Plato's cave with the shadows

867
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:54,210
shadow the shadows no just to explain

868
00:39:58,370 --> 00:39:56,220
for the listeners Plato's cave put

869
00:40:00,380 --> 00:39:58,380
forward by Plato the philosopher said

870
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:00,390
imagine a scenario that there are a

871
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:02,910
group of individuals that have all their

872
00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:05,130
lives they've been chained in a side of

873
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:07,240
a cave looking at the back wall of

874
00:40:14,570 --> 00:40:09,850
cave behind the behind them is of fire

875
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,580
and in front of the fire is a bridge and

876
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:16,960
people walk across the bridge and the

877
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:18,790
shadows are cast in front of the the

878
00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:21,520
people that are trapped they believe

879
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:23,740
that all the reality they perceive are

880
00:40:29,550 --> 00:40:26,890
the shadows on the cave wall one of the

881
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:29,560
young men manages to break his kid break

882
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:32,800
his chains and he goes and he realizes

883
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,110
that the world he existing is an

884
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:36,880
illusion he then goes to the cave

885
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:39,010
entrance and sees the real world as it

886
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:41,710
is then he goes back and tells his

887
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:44,250
friends and they don't believe him and

888
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,110
they don't believe him because the whole

889
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:49,119
world view is based upon what their

890
00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:51,610
senses tell them this is what happens

891
00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:52,990
with people who have extraordinary

892
00:40:57,500 --> 00:40:55,720
experiences these are people who I argue

893
00:41:00,480 --> 00:40:57,510
go through the doors of perception

894
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:00,490
people who have Alzheimer's people who

895
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:02,170
have temporal lobe epilepsy people who

896
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:04,170
have migraine people have schizophrenia

897
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:06,520
various other altered states people who

898
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:09,190
take dimethyltryptamine LSD they break

899
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:11,740
through the walls of perception and see

900
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,560
reality as it really is and they see the

901
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:17,200
holographic nature of the reality and I

902
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,330
think this is the moving forward but the

903
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:21,760
billion dollar question is if if this is

904
00:41:26,910 --> 00:41:24,250
a simulation has this simulation being

905
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:26,920
created and have it's been created do

906
00:41:30,810 --> 00:41:29,200
the creators of the simulation wants us

907
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,820
to be able to understand the fact that

908
00:41:35,010 --> 00:41:33,040
we're in a simulation because if the

909
00:41:37,710 --> 00:41:35,020
people in the simulation realize it's a

910
00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:37,720
simulation it changes everything it

911
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:39,880
would certainly seem to me from my

912
00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:43,330
personal experience as as little as

913
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:46,830
personal experience holds weight that

914
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:51,010
there are others and there are more than

915
00:41:59,370 --> 00:41:55,570
one others so in the unseen world in the

916
00:42:01,859 --> 00:41:59,380
world of beings that may not be in the

917
00:42:06,270 --> 00:42:01,869
physical disk Arnot entities if you will

918
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:06,280
maybe never have been incarnated and but

919
00:42:11,550 --> 00:42:08,290
there's not just one thing out there

920
00:42:14,820 --> 00:42:11,560
that has been my direct perception I

921
00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:14,830
also wanted to ask you if you're

922
00:42:20,310 --> 00:42:16,990
familiar with the International remote

923
00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:20,320
viewers Association and one of their

924
00:42:24,110 --> 00:42:20,920
members

925
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:24,120
who was a former government

926
00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:26,890
remote-viewing Tasker by the name of

927
00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:29,980
Dale Graff Dale Graff has been working

928
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:32,620
with dreams and has a method by which

929
00:42:41,090 --> 00:42:36,970
you can fairly reliably get information

930
00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:41,100
about the future by focusing your

931
00:42:48,990 --> 00:42:45,100
dreaming attempts let's say on page

932
00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:49,000
three of the New York Times five days

933
00:42:58,980 --> 00:42:54,790
hence and I have tried his method in a

934
00:43:03,390 --> 00:42:58,990
very not a very scientific way kind of

935
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,400
just trying to do it by myself and I've

936
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:05,920
gotten some very very positive and

937
00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:08,830
interesting results and so that might be

938
00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:10,660
some place if you're not familiar with

939
00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:12,760
that for you to look at the the dream

940
00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:15,640
state I would love for you to get into

941
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:18,990
some of the words that you use in your

942
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:22,960
in your book that may not be familiar to

943
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:27,780
most people like the demonic plural ma

944
00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:31,630
Ida tonic those kind of words which

945
00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:33,700
having read your books I am familiar

946
00:43:42,830 --> 00:43:37,990
with but most people are not okay the

947
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:42,840
the concept of the damon and ada long is

948
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:45,520
that the terms damon and ada long are

949
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:48,970
actually from ancient greek and they

950
00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:50,350
were very much terms used by the

951
00:43:56,250 --> 00:43:52,900
Gnostics which were schismatic Christian

952
00:43:58,290 --> 00:43:56,260
sect and just after after the birth of

953
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,300
Christ and have carried on through in

954
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:00,160
sort of various esoteric groups around

955
00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:04,030
the world and the idea is that we are

956
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:06,790
not singular beings we are dual beings

957
00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:09,700
and that we have an everyday

958
00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:11,830
consciousness that exists within linear

959
00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:14,740
time which in my book I've adapted this

960
00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:17,590
and I call this the Edel on now for me

961
00:44:22,830 --> 00:44:20,380
the Idul on is if anybody plays a

962
00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:22,840
third-person computer game you will know

963
00:44:29,340 --> 00:44:26,200
that you you have a an avatar on the

964
00:44:33,450 --> 00:44:29,350
screen and the avatar you guide through

965
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:33,460
its existence in the game so for

966
00:44:39,180 --> 00:44:34,210
instance you

967
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:39,190
I don't know I don't know Tomb Raider

968
00:44:44,490 --> 00:44:42,850
and Lara Croft appears on the screen and

969
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:44,500
every time you start the game Lara is

970
00:44:50,310 --> 00:44:48,130
born and she goes down a corridor and

971
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:50,320
she walks into a room and a monster

972
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:52,650
comes out which kills it Lara is killed

973
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,660
but the person playing the game isn't

974
00:44:59,010 --> 00:44:57,760
killed and they have the memory that

975
00:45:01,350 --> 00:44:59,020
Lara was killed next time

976
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,360
so Lara is reborn again and this time

977
00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:04,000
the game player is aware of the dangers

978
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,390
in the room so the game player tries to

979
00:45:10,050 --> 00:45:08,800
make sure Lara doesn't go in the room

980
00:45:13,110 --> 00:45:10,060
and she goes down another one gets

981
00:45:16,020 --> 00:45:13,120
killed again and goes back now Lara for

982
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:16,030
me is what I call the Eid Allah we are

983
00:45:21,450 --> 00:45:18,370
all edelen's we are all within the game

984
00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:21,460
of life but there is an element of us

985
00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:24,460
that is from the plur oh ma now again

986
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:26,320
the pleura is something that's used in

987
00:45:32,970 --> 00:45:29,410
Gnosticism it is the place outside of

988
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:32,980
this existence the mind forged manacles

989
00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:35,760
as Blake called them or philip k dick

990
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:39,070
had a term he called it as well and the

991
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:42,370
the black iron prison this reality we

992
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,410
live within so we are within the game

993
00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:47,440
and we are unaware of the fact that we

994
00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:49,390
have lived this life many many times we

995
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,220
believe that this is the first time

996
00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:53,440
we've lived this life and that we don't

997
00:45:58,290 --> 00:45:56,080
know the future but there is the element

998
00:46:00,780 --> 00:45:58,300
of us called the daemon which is our

999
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:00,790
game player and the daemon has lived

1000
00:46:07,350 --> 00:46:03,250
this life before probably multiple of

1001
00:46:10,050 --> 00:46:07,360
times the daemon is that voice in your

1002
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:10,060
head that warns you not to do things it

1003
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:12,490
is the thing that creates Inklings in

1004
00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:15,310
you that something feels not right it is

1005
00:46:19,890 --> 00:46:17,140
that voice in your head when you meet

1006
00:46:22,110 --> 00:46:19,900
that person that is special that it you

1007
00:46:24,750 --> 00:46:22,120
just know this person is going to be

1008
00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:24,760
incredibly influential in your life it's

1009
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:27,070
the daemon the daemon warns you in

1010
00:46:31,590 --> 00:46:29,430
dreams they give you precognitive dreams

1011
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:31,600
the daemon effectively is your game

1012
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:33,370
player and it is trying to guide you

1013
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,090
through your life but eventually the

1014
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,560
gameplay that get you will get to a

1015
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:40,240
point in your game where the daemon

1016
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,030
can't protect you anymore and you get to

1017
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,040
a point where the last time you lived

1018
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:47,200
your life you didn't get any further and

1019
00:46:48,849 --> 00:46:47,569
the

1020
00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:48,859
Damon can't protect Jim you get killed

1021
00:46:54,130 --> 00:46:49,880
again and you go back and you start

1022
00:46:56,380 --> 00:46:54,140
again now the world we live with in this

1023
00:46:58,420 --> 00:46:56,390
world of living it over and over again

1024
00:47:01,709 --> 00:46:58,430
and changing it because the daemon

1025
00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:01,719
changes it I called the bohmian I max I

1026
00:47:08,370 --> 00:47:04,670
call it the bohmian I max for two

1027
00:47:11,499 --> 00:47:08,380
reasons the first reason is it's in in

1028
00:47:14,109 --> 00:47:11,509
reflection of the great American quantum

1029
00:47:16,989 --> 00:47:14,119
physicist David Bohm who came up with an

1030
00:47:18,999 --> 00:47:16,999
idea called the implicit order and the

1031
00:47:22,989 --> 00:47:19,009
idea David Bohm argued is that there's a

1032
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:22,999
deeper level of reality that that the we

1033
00:47:28,089 --> 00:47:26,150
don't perceive accurately this explains

1034
00:47:29,979 --> 00:47:28,099
things like nonlocality in quantum

1035
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:29,989
physics which we don't have time to deal

1036
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:32,209
with now but effectively it explains a

1037
00:47:38,109 --> 00:47:34,130
lot of the effects that we know that

1038
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:38,119
mysteries in quantum physics so and I

1039
00:47:45,819 --> 00:47:41,690
call it the bohmian I max because I'm

1040
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:45,829
smacking at one of the top reductionist

1041
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:48,170
materialists in fact he's in the limited

1042
00:47:53,049 --> 00:47:50,930
material is called Daniel Dennett oh yes

1043
00:47:54,999 --> 00:47:53,059
and Daniel Dennett wrote a book a few

1044
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,009
years ago called consciousness explained

1045
00:48:01,059 --> 00:47:57,680
talk about hubris consciousness explain

1046
00:48:04,569 --> 00:48:01,069
what arrogance but effectively he argues

1047
00:48:07,029 --> 00:48:04,579
that there is no inner life we are

1048
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:07,039
fooling ourselves into even thinking we

1049
00:48:11,259 --> 00:48:09,529
are consciously aware now every single

1050
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:11,269
living human being knows that is

1051
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:14,089
complete nonsense but this is the

1052
00:48:19,689 --> 00:48:17,150
revised wisdom supposedly of our

1053
00:48:22,299 --> 00:48:19,699
supposedly intellectual betters that we

1054
00:48:24,459 --> 00:48:22,309
are not even conscious but we fool

1055
00:48:25,989 --> 00:48:24,469
ourselves the mystery to me is I'd love

1056
00:48:27,849 --> 00:48:25,999
to know who Daniel Dennett thinks he's

1057
00:48:30,489 --> 00:48:27,859
being fooled because I can't fool a

1058
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:30,499
stone into believing anything in other

1059
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:32,329
words you have to be self-reflective in

1060
00:48:36,819 --> 00:48:35,089
order to be fooled by anything but

1061
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:36,829
that's inside the point but Daniel

1062
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:38,890
Dennett has this concept he calls the

1063
00:48:43,959 --> 00:48:42,079
Cartesian Theatre in his book the

1064
00:48:47,170 --> 00:48:43,969
consciousness explained in the Cartesian

1065
00:48:49,689 --> 00:48:47,180
theater is is how the world we live in

1066
00:48:52,779 --> 00:48:49,699
in the world we create that we live

1067
00:48:54,579 --> 00:48:52,789
within now I argue that we don't live

1068
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:54,589
within a Cartesian theater we live

1069
00:49:00,430 --> 00:48:56,930
within a bohmian IMAX which is much much

1070
00:49:01,210 --> 00:49:00,440
wider so I argue that you live your life

1071
00:49:03,010 --> 00:49:01,220
over an

1072
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:03,020
over again as Connors does in the movie

1073
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:05,180
Groundhog Day and every time you live

1074
00:49:10,780 --> 00:49:08,480
your life you get it better your Damon

1075
00:49:13,330 --> 00:49:10,790
helps to guide you to just get it

1076
00:49:15,820 --> 00:49:13,340
slightly better it's like evolution you

1077
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:15,830
evolve yourself so you're being

1078
00:49:21,130 --> 00:49:17,090
reincarnated

1079
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,140
but as yourself in your own life to fine

1080
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:23,119
tune your life to live the perfect life

1081
00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:25,849
as Connors does at the end of Groundhog

1082
00:49:29,710 --> 00:49:27,830
Day when suddenly he's allowed to move

1083
00:49:31,630 --> 00:49:29,720
on to the next day I believe when you

1084
00:49:33,849 --> 00:49:31,640
live the perfect life your daemon has

1085
00:49:36,730 --> 00:49:33,859
succeeded you've lived the perfect game

1086
00:49:38,830 --> 00:49:36,740
and then you move on but the interesting

1087
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:38,840
thing is in my book is there life after

1088
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:40,730
death extraordinary science of when we

1089
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:42,710
won we die which is my first book I

1090
00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:45,410
argue that this all happens in the final

1091
00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:48,590
seconds of your life and the reason I

1092
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:50,150
argue this and I call this concept

1093
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:52,310
cheating the ferryman because I argue

1094
00:49:55,630 --> 00:49:53,270
you never die

1095
00:49:58,930 --> 00:49:55,640
you die in the worlds of other people

1096
00:50:01,000 --> 00:49:58,940
but because your time scale changes at

1097
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,010
the point of death because as we know in

1098
00:50:04,030 --> 00:50:02,720
near-death experiences people what are

1099
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:04,040
they the moody traits in near-death

1100
00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:06,230
experiences they turn around and they

1101
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:09,470
say time slows down you have a flashback

1102
00:50:15,370 --> 00:50:13,119
of your life you meet the being of light

1103
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:15,380
there are three of the traits I can

1104
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:17,510
explain all of those the first one your

1105
00:50:21,849 --> 00:50:19,940
life flashes before your eyes that's in

1106
00:50:23,710 --> 00:50:21,859
a near-death experience in a real death

1107
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:23,720
experience your life doesn't flash in

1108
00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:25,250
front of your eyes it's a literal

1109
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:27,160
minute-by-minute recreation of your life

1110
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,530
the near-death experience analogy that

1111
00:50:34,329 --> 00:50:32,720
takes place is because the system's gone

1112
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:34,339
wrong you're not actually going to die

1113
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:36,050
so they have to literally fast-forward

1114
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:38,570
it the second point the time slows down

1115
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:42,170
we all know that in times of stress time

1116
00:50:45,070 --> 00:50:42,890
slows down

1117
00:50:47,260 --> 00:50:45,080
I do the neurology of this it's a

1118
00:50:48,910 --> 00:50:47,270
release of glutamate in the brain the

1119
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:48,920
glutamate flood that takes place in

1120
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:51,050
times of stress slows down your

1121
00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:53,150
perception of time we've all had this

1122
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:55,070
you get bad news you're in a car crash

1123
00:50:59,770 --> 00:50:57,770
you fall time slows down

1124
00:51:02,620 --> 00:50:59,780
that's the glutamate kicking in because

1125
00:51:04,810 --> 00:51:02,630
time is subjective so in which case in

1126
00:51:08,349 --> 00:51:04,820
your subjective world in your last

1127
00:51:10,359 --> 00:51:08,359
second of life could last 70 years in

1128
00:51:12,849 --> 00:51:10,369
that seven years you live your life

1129
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:12,859
again but you live within the simulated

1130
00:51:17,529 --> 00:51:15,529
life like a simulate

1131
00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:17,539
like a computer game and this is where

1132
00:51:21,069 --> 00:51:19,220
the daemon then comes in which is the

1133
00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:21,079
being of light that people talk about

1134
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:24,140
the being of light fascinates me the

1135
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:25,910
being of light if you actually read the

1136
00:51:29,769 --> 00:51:28,249
the the NDA reports and I'm a

1137
00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:29,779
professional member of the International

1138
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:31,940
Association of near-death studies and in

1139
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:33,890
fact the first paper that presented

1140
00:51:37,450 --> 00:51:35,630
cheating the ferryman was actually an

1141
00:51:39,729 --> 00:51:37,460
academic paper published in their

1142
00:51:44,049 --> 00:51:39,739
journal their academic journal back in

1143
00:51:48,660 --> 00:51:44,059
2001 I think it was 2000 maybe the idea

1144
00:51:51,549 --> 00:51:48,670
is that the near-death experience is

1145
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:51,559
incredibly common but we are

1146
00:51:56,019 --> 00:51:53,210
misinterpreting what is taking place

1147
00:51:58,059 --> 00:51:56,029
there now the ancient Greeks have this

1148
00:52:00,479 --> 00:51:58,069
concept of drinking the water of the

1149
00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:00,489
leaf I don't if you know but the ideal

1150
00:52:05,620 --> 00:52:03,380
legend is isn't it that you die and

1151
00:52:07,870 --> 00:52:05,630
you're a shade and you find yourself on

1152
00:52:11,339 --> 00:52:07,880
the edges of the the Acheron river and

1153
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:11,349
the Styx and out of the mists comes

1154
00:52:15,849 --> 00:52:13,730
Charon the boatman

1155
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:15,859
and he takes you over and you pay him a

1156
00:52:20,769 --> 00:52:18,529
little applause a little coin which is

1157
00:52:23,799 --> 00:52:20,779
placed underneath your tongue when you

1158
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:23,809
die or when you're dead you pay him and

1159
00:52:30,430 --> 00:52:27,680
he takes you across the Acheron - to

1160
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:30,440
Hades and when you get to Hades you're

1161
00:52:37,089 --> 00:52:33,650
given the choice of either going forward

1162
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:37,099
into heavenly bliss or drinking the

1163
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:40,130
waters of the leaf the river of

1164
00:52:45,549 --> 00:52:43,369
forgetting in the legend you drink the

1165
00:52:47,859 --> 00:52:45,559
leaf and it wipes out all your previous

1166
00:52:50,170 --> 00:52:47,869
life memories then you're allowed to go

1167
00:52:53,049 --> 00:52:50,180
back across the the Acheron

1168
00:52:53,819 --> 00:52:53,059
back into your life again to live your

1169
00:52:57,069 --> 00:52:53,829
life again

1170
00:53:00,130 --> 00:52:57,079
this is why I call my book the concept

1171
00:53:03,339 --> 00:53:00,140
cheating the ferryman you never pay the

1172
00:53:06,009 --> 00:53:03,349
ferryman his coin because you never in

1173
00:53:09,069 --> 00:53:06,019
time get to that point because at the

1174
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:09,079
end of your second life the same thing

1175
00:53:14,769 --> 00:53:12,049
happens again and again and again and

1176
00:53:17,529 --> 00:53:14,779
it's of course zero Zeno's bisection

1177
00:53:19,870 --> 00:53:17,539
paradox the idea is you can bisect time

1178
00:53:22,650 --> 00:53:19,880
into smaller and smaller compartments

1179
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:22,660
because of course time is subjective so

1180
00:53:28,779 --> 00:53:25,130
that's what I mean by this now the other

1181
00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:28,789
place that we move into that our daemon

1182
00:53:32,410 --> 00:53:29,120
eggs

1183
00:53:34,990 --> 00:53:32,420
in this timeless location is what I call

1184
00:53:36,580 --> 00:53:35,000
a plural I don't cook I call it the

1185
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:36,590
plural because I've adopted that term

1186
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:38,510
but the play Roma is the term that the

1187
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,730
ancient Gnostics used because of that I

1188
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:42,800
believe the ancient Gnostics had a huge

1189
00:53:48,370 --> 00:53:45,530
amount of wisdom and I believe I even

1190
00:53:50,980 --> 00:53:48,380
suggest that the Holy Grail that the

1191
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:50,990
Cathars the Kothari and various other

1192
00:53:55,450 --> 00:53:52,970
agnostic groups throughout the the

1193
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:55,460
centuries have protected is not

1194
00:54:00,340 --> 00:53:57,770
literally the sangria it's not literally

1195
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:00,350
the chalice that held Jesus's blood what

1196
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:03,350
it is is this secret that we live our

1197
00:54:07,810 --> 00:54:04,730
life over and over again

1198
00:54:09,730 --> 00:54:07,820
Nietzsche talked about it very famous

1199
00:54:12,610 --> 00:54:09,740
writers have talked about it time and

1200
00:54:17,110 --> 00:54:12,620
time again even people like James Joyce

1201
00:54:19,660 --> 00:54:17,120
in Finnegan's Wake thin again awake that

1202
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,670
it's the whole the whole idea this is

1203
00:54:24,310 --> 00:54:21,440
the secret of the ages as far as I'm

1204
00:54:27,250 --> 00:54:24,320
concerned we are immortal beings and we

1205
00:54:29,050 --> 00:54:27,260
come back again and again and again in

1206
00:54:31,870 --> 00:54:29,060
my final points if anybody's interested

1207
00:54:34,330 --> 00:54:31,880
in this Peter Ouspensky the rushing for

1208
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:34,340
the Russian philosopher wrote an amazing

1209
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:36,710
novel in the 1930s called

1210
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:40,370
the life of the of Ivan a soakin in this

1211
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:43,010
he discusses exactly that and then

1212
00:54:48,070 --> 00:54:46,010
finishing off with JB Priestley JB

1213
00:54:50,380 --> 00:54:48,080
Priestley believed these ideas and he

1214
00:54:50,860 --> 00:54:50,390
wrote a play called I have been here

1215
00:54:55,570 --> 00:54:50,870
before

1216
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,580
in 1937 1938 and in this play you have a

1217
00:55:00,550 --> 00:54:57,680
character who knows he's living his life

1218
00:55:03,220 --> 00:55:00,560
again who goes back into his life to

1219
00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:03,230
stop two people he has lived the life

1220
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:06,560
before making a huge mistake and running

1221
00:55:12,250 --> 00:55:09,770
off with each other well that you've

1222
00:55:16,330 --> 00:55:12,260
done a masterful job here of explaining

1223
00:55:19,450 --> 00:55:16,340
some of your concepts to us and our hour

1224
00:55:22,180 --> 00:55:19,460
is about done so what I would like you

1225
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:22,190
to do is do yourself a little commercial

1226
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:27,040
here talk about your own online

1227
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:30,650
interviews and your various books and

1228
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,110
projects and are you doing some kind of

1229
00:55:40,270 --> 00:55:38,000
something in Australia upcoming or am I

1230
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:40,280
mistaken about that no I am

1231
00:55:45,220 --> 00:55:42,130
it was only the last few days we've been

1232
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:45,230
negotiating terms for it but I will be

1233
00:55:51,550 --> 00:55:49,010
speaking about these concepts in front

1234
00:55:53,710 --> 00:55:51,560
of ayres rock all her ooh in the centre

1235
00:55:55,450 --> 00:55:53,720
of Australia as the Sun sets so the idea

1236
00:55:57,609 --> 00:55:55,460
is I'm the keynote speaker for an event

1237
00:56:01,300 --> 00:55:57,619
that will be taking place next the

1238
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:01,310
middle of January next year I was

1239
00:56:05,890 --> 00:56:03,050
invited down and I spoke in Melbourne

1240
00:56:08,410 --> 00:56:05,900
two year three years ago with PMH

1241
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,420
Atwater who you may know the she's been

1242
00:56:12,430 --> 00:56:10,400
I guess lady oh good

1243
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:12,440
yeah pmh what I was in contact with pH

1244
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:14,810
only a few days ago actually and she and

1245
00:56:19,420 --> 00:56:17,359
I did an event in Melbourne two three

1246
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,430
years ago two years ago and I've been

1247
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:20,960
invited back to do this special event

1248
00:56:26,740 --> 00:56:23,690
over there so I'll be doing that

1249
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:26,750
oh it's it's gonna be wonderful I am so

1250
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:28,910
looking forward to it

1251
00:56:32,830 --> 00:56:30,410
you know I have a lot of fans down in

1252
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:32,840
Australia well and it's a magical

1253
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:35,810
location you know asrock or all hurroo

1254
00:56:40,780 --> 00:56:38,570
is one of the special places but if

1255
00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:40,790
anybody's interested in my work my

1256
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:44,060
website is Antony peek calm that's peek

1257
00:56:50,140 --> 00:56:47,450
with an e on the end I'm also extremely

1258
00:56:52,270 --> 00:56:50,150
active on Facebook I have a Facebook

1259
00:56:55,740 --> 00:56:52,280
site if you look up Antony peak you'll

1260
00:56:58,540 --> 00:56:55,750
find me at the moment I'm topped out at

1261
00:57:00,700 --> 00:56:58,550
5,000 because they top you out of 5,000

1262
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:00,710
friends but you can still follow me if

1263
00:57:05,230 --> 00:57:03,050
you wish and then if you seek out

1264
00:57:09,310 --> 00:57:05,240
friendship I will then try and find a

1265
00:57:10,990 --> 00:57:09,320
space as people drop out also on YouTube

1266
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,000
if you just put in Antony peak on

1267
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:13,280
YouTube you will get lots of my lectures

1268
00:57:18,910 --> 00:57:16,010
in fact one of my lectures that was put

1269
00:57:22,329 --> 00:57:18,920
up was was recorded about three years

1270
00:57:25,930 --> 00:57:22,339
ago four years ago was recent in October

1271
00:57:28,510 --> 00:57:25,940
was posted on YouTube a remake of it and

1272
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:28,520
it's now had a quarter of a million

1273
00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:31,730
viewings in four months and it's having

1274
00:57:36,430 --> 00:57:34,670
about a thousand a day at the moment so

1275
00:57:38,530 --> 00:57:36,440
just lock that up just this Antony peak

1276
00:57:40,270 --> 00:57:38,540
on YouTube you will find it because it's

1277
00:57:41,950 --> 00:57:40,280
the biggest one I've done but there's

1278
00:57:45,609 --> 00:57:41,960
lots of material on there

1279
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:45,619
I'm very to me these are not my ideas

1280
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:47,450
these are ideas that people have had for

1281
00:57:52,030 --> 00:57:50,690
years I'm very keen to involve people in

1282
00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:52,040
my work if you're interested in my

1283
00:57:56,539 --> 00:57:54,180
please please please contact me

1284
00:57:58,370 --> 00:57:56,549
I get scores of emails a day but I try

1285
00:58:00,980 --> 00:57:58,380
to respond to all of them if I can I

1286
00:58:03,380 --> 00:58:00,990
want people's experiences I need

1287
00:58:03,799 --> 00:58:03,390
evidence I need proof I need the smoking

1288
00:58:05,870 --> 00:58:03,809
gun

1289
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:05,880
I need the white crow or the bike Swan

1290
00:58:09,859 --> 00:58:07,859
that will actually prove that these

1291
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:09,869
things are true so please help me if you

1292
00:58:13,819 --> 00:58:11,970
can if you don't agree with what I say

1293
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:13,829
that's great contacted me and we can

1294
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:16,680
debate it because remember these are not

1295
00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:20,010
I'm not channeling this from Planet thug

1296
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:21,750
I'm not doing anything else I'm just a

1297
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:23,849
search or after truth and if the things

1298
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:26,339
I say are technically incorrect tell me

1299
00:58:31,789 --> 00:58:30,210
I don't mind I'll revise them it's

1300
00:58:34,490 --> 00:58:31,799
important to me that it's important to

1301
00:58:36,620 --> 00:58:34,500
me that my science is correct because if

1302
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:36,630
it is not correct I cannot take this to

1303
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:39,359
the scientists well we would love to

1304
00:58:47,289 --> 00:58:42,420
speak with you again sometime and and

1305
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:47,299
maybe get further into the spectrum of

1306
00:58:53,799 --> 00:58:50,640
experiences that you speak about in

1307
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:53,809
opening the doors of perception which

1308
00:59:02,329 --> 00:58:58,130
involve autism and schizophrenia and

1309
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:02,339
Alzheimer's and classic migraine and the

1310
00:59:11,299 --> 00:59:07,710
dreams and I do really I can't speak for

1311
00:59:15,319 --> 00:59:11,309
that one particular type of dream

1312
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,329
studies that Dale Graff has done with

1313
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:18,079
the International remote viewing

1314
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:22,740
Association so Anthony peek thank you so

1315
00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:25,170
much under your tongue I just can I can

1316
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:25,559
I

1317
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:31,200
very intrigued by the image that you

1318
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:34,319
have on your skype site which unless I'm

1319
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:37,529
mistaken is a sculpture from the north

1320
00:59:48,289 --> 00:59:46,160
really yeah it's it's they've now moved

1321
00:59:52,099 --> 00:59:48,299
it it's outside the University I went

1322
00:59:55,210 --> 00:59:52,109
past it about two months ago it's a

1323
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:55,220
fascinating piece of sculpture isn't it

1324
01:00:02,960 --> 00:59:58,410
why did you choose that didn't you'll

1325
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:02,970
have to speak to Bill about that yeah it

1326
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:09,999
okay well they'll thank you thank you

1327
01:00:15,279 --> 01:00:13,130
bill bill is our trusty engineer who

1328
01:00:17,859 --> 01:00:15,289
makes all of this possible and he's so

1329
01:00:19,029 --> 01:00:17,869
modest and he is shy and modest and we

1330
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:19,039
love him very much

1331
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:22,970
so with that Anthony peak thank you so

1332
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,890
much for your participation and we hope

1333
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,240
you'll be a guest again

1334
01:00:31,089 --> 01:00:28,160
yeah and good luck in your research I

1335
01:00:33,489 --> 01:00:31,099
really your brave guy to go out there

1336
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,499
where no one who's gone before I mean I

1337
01:00:37,809 --> 01:00:35,119
mean obviously people have tried before

1338
01:00:40,779 --> 01:00:37,819
but good luck out there and and and give

1339
01:00:41,950 --> 01:00:40,789
give Daniel Dennett help for me oh well

1340
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:41,960
thank you

1341
01:00:47,259 --> 01:00:44,240
maybe maybe that symbol of that actual

1342
01:00:49,390 --> 01:00:47,269
figure is me running forward a future

1343
01:00:52,989 --> 01:00:49,400
with the blast of the past pulling me

1344
01:00:54,849 --> 01:00:52,999
back but thanks guys thank you so much

1345
01:00:57,220 --> 01:00:54,859
as well for inviting me because it's

1346
01:00:59,980 --> 01:00:57,230
very important and you know I'm you know

1347
01:01:01,299 --> 01:00:59,990
it is very nice of you to invite me and

1348
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:01,309
give me the opportunity to speak to your

1349
01:01:05,130 --> 01:01:02,809
audience especially thank you our

1350
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:05,140
pleasure again and and so long for now

1351
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:07,970
well okay thank you thank you bye you're

1352
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:08,569
very welcome

1353
01:01:17,289 --> 01:01:13,970
that was wonderful I I find Anthony peak

1354
01:01:20,829 --> 01:01:17,299
to be a great distiller of knowledge

1355
01:01:23,049 --> 01:01:20,839
from various places and he really does

1356
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:23,059
his homework he really does all the

1357
01:01:28,359 --> 01:01:25,609
reading and he distills these ideas down

1358
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:28,369
he doesn't make them simple but he

1359
01:01:33,130 --> 01:01:30,890
collects all these things I don't think

1360
01:01:36,999 --> 01:01:33,140
he's studying something that's simple no

1361
01:01:40,989 --> 01:01:37,009
it's quite clearly not as not simple

1362
01:01:43,870 --> 01:01:40,999
concepts and I highly recommend his

1363
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:43,880
books i I've read several of them as I

1364
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:46,160
said I believe there are nine available

1365
01:01:49,809 --> 01:01:48,170
now you know what I think that one of

1366
01:01:52,059 --> 01:01:49,819
the problems is when you study something

1367
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,069
like consciousness people assume that

1368
01:01:57,099 --> 01:01:54,799
it's like you should know this

1369
01:01:58,989 --> 01:01:57,109
instinctively you know like you don't

1370
01:02:01,620 --> 01:01:58,999
have to learn it you don't have to study

1371
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:01,630
it you should be able to dream a dream

1372
01:02:05,890 --> 01:02:04,400
predict the future whatever and they

1373
01:02:08,229 --> 01:02:05,900
never realize like if you're gonna be a

1374
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:08,239
quantum physic let's say you really are

1375
01:02:11,710 --> 01:02:09,680
interested in that and you want to

1376
01:02:12,940 --> 01:02:11,720
develop it well you go through four

1377
01:02:14,529 --> 01:02:12,950
you'd first of all you go through high

1378
01:02:16,569 --> 01:02:14,539
school then you go through four years of

1379
01:02:18,970 --> 01:02:16,579
college and you go through four two

1380
01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:18,980
three four or five years of additional

1381
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:20,180
studies and then you

1382
01:02:23,799 --> 01:02:21,530
in the field and you work in the field

1383
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:23,809
and finally you begin to understand it

1384
01:02:27,309 --> 01:02:25,369
but you don't understand it

1385
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:27,319
instinctively you build on the work of

1386
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:28,730
others and it's the same with

1387
01:02:32,650 --> 01:02:30,770
consciousness 8 you know people think

1388
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:32,660
like oh yeah you know like let's say

1389
01:02:37,390 --> 01:02:35,210
alright so of Russia your psychic well

1390
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:37,400
oh well you know you don't have to study

1391
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:39,170
to be a psychic you there are you're not

1392
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:40,880
you know you're great artist you're not

1393
01:02:44,859 --> 01:02:42,890
a great artist but that's not true look

1394
01:02:47,049 --> 01:02:44,869
at Bill I mean he was not born being a

1395
01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:47,059
phenomenal musician he had to study it

1396
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:49,640
you were not born being a psychic you

1397
01:02:53,530 --> 01:02:50,720
had to go through all these life

1398
01:02:55,450 --> 01:02:53,540
experiences to develop it and that's

1399
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:55,460
where he runs into trouble when he

1400
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:57,920
starts to fight these so-called

1401
01:03:04,839 --> 01:03:01,280
scientific community because they don't

1402
01:03:06,910 --> 01:03:04,849
see him putting in the work and the

1403
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:06,920
progressive steps that they've taken to

1404
01:03:11,170 --> 01:03:08,960
get where they are and they think oh

1405
01:03:11,650 --> 01:03:11,180
this guy's just making it up out of thin

1406
01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:11,660
air

1407
01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:14,180
you know and in actuality he has not

1408
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:15,710
been I mean he's really been working

1409
01:03:20,859 --> 01:03:18,770
very hard yes yes and very bright man as

1410
01:03:22,359 --> 01:03:20,869
well quite clearly quite clearly a very

1411
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:22,369
bright man if you weren't you wouldn't

1412
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:23,930
be interested in this you know I mean

1413
01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:26,270
you'd be dulling you except the what is

1414
01:03:30,010 --> 01:03:27,950
it the red pill the blue pill I mean he

1415
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:30,020
was talking matrix there from yes yes

1416
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:34,490
and yeah it's fascinating field but as I

1417
01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:37,760
said to him good luck I mean the methods

1418
01:03:43,809 --> 01:03:41,089
are not there they're not there well you

1419
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:43,819
are the one with the scientific method

1420
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:45,890
in mind and the group of the two of us

1421
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:49,250
so we'll have to I can't disagree with

1422
01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:52,160
you they're not the scientific method

1423
01:03:57,789 --> 01:03:55,190
but a myth a method how humans have to I

1424
01:04:00,190 --> 01:03:57,799
mean it's I think it's a down side of

1425
01:04:03,099 --> 01:04:00,200
the human brain that you have to go stat

1426
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:03,109
they stat these step see maybe what he

1427
01:04:09,130 --> 01:04:04,609
was talking about is suddenly you'd be

1428
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:09,140
in step X if you're gonna do that for

1429
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,770
the general population you have to

1430
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:13,520
understand the steps that we're taking

1431
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:15,530
to get there and that's that's the

1432
01:04:21,549 --> 01:04:17,630
method that's not being well as our

1433
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:21,559
previous our previous guest dr. Julie by

1434
01:04:28,170 --> 01:04:24,880
she'll had mentioned it's one of her

1435
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:28,180
signature sayings is that he you

1436
01:04:33,790 --> 01:04:31,609
catalogue experiences experiences and

1437
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:33,800
it's not just

1438
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:36,050
one-off experiences but after a while

1439
01:04:40,030 --> 01:04:38,240
you have a set of data no no it's not

1440
01:04:42,850 --> 01:04:40,040
going to work because you're using the

1441
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:42,860
scientific method to discover and

1442
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,570
understand something that is basically

1443
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:46,880
not scientific in this sense of

1444
01:04:53,530 --> 01:04:49,610
Newtonian quiet whatever like he said

1445
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:53,540
that there's there there's there's force

1446
01:04:57,580 --> 01:04:55,730
and there's matter and then this

1447
01:05:02,440 --> 01:04:57,590
consciousness is outside of both so you

1448
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:02,450
cannot use methods to undercover the the

1449
01:05:07,450 --> 01:05:04,370
science so-called between force and

1450
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:07,460
matter to under to uncover what's the

1451
01:05:11,350 --> 01:05:09,170
force behind consciousness it's a whole

1452
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:11,360
separate thing and that method has not

1453
01:05:15,790 --> 01:05:13,760
yet been discovered I'm really I give

1454
01:05:19,420 --> 01:05:15,800
him credit for trying to he's doing a

1455
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:19,430
good job but good luck um no Nobel

1456
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:20,450
Prizes there yet

1457
01:05:24,550 --> 01:05:22,490
not yet not yet yet I think they're

1458
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:24,560
coming it's gonna be a humdinger when it

1459
01:05:38,770 --> 01:05:34,910
comes I'll tell you yes I do want to

1460
01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:38,780
mention by the way that we do have Laird

1461
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:43,390
Scranton on and he is very interested in

1462
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:48,400
linguistics and prehistoric times and

1463
01:05:57,730 --> 01:05:52,850
really fascinating concepts of drawing

1464
01:06:01,030 --> 01:05:57,740
different parts of early civilizations

1465
01:06:03,610 --> 01:06:01,040
together I cannot tell you how

1466
01:06:05,770 --> 01:06:03,620
interesting his books on this are

1467
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:05,780
they're extremely interesting and we're

1468
01:06:10,270 --> 01:06:08,000
going to welcome him in a couple of

1469
01:06:12,190 --> 01:06:10,280
weeks to shattered reality but that's

1470
01:06:14,410 --> 01:06:12,200
just exactly what Anthony was saying

1471
01:06:17,020 --> 01:06:14,420
it's linguistics and the social contract

1472
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:17,030
whether it's religions or whatever that

1473
01:06:22,210 --> 01:06:19,550
sort of underlie the reality for

1474
01:06:24,490 --> 01:06:22,220
whatever group they're in and that's why

1475
01:06:26,380 --> 01:06:24,500
he's referring to it as a hologram so

1476
01:06:29,710 --> 01:06:26,390
he's actually a good guest to follow up

1477
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:29,720
with this guy yeah I I think so in the

1478
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:32,570
meantime everybody should remember that

1479
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:36,650
we are non-commercial no one tells us

1480
01:06:41,170 --> 01:06:39,170
what to say or what to do or pay us for

1481
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:41,180
them or pet we get paid nothing at all

1482
01:06:46,750 --> 01:06:44,480
so when people we have people on this

1483
01:06:47,530 --> 01:06:46,760
show you know that these are people that

1484
01:06:50,530 --> 01:06:47,540
were really

1485
01:06:53,530 --> 01:06:50,540
interested in there is no hidden agenda

1486
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:53,540
here except that we find the concepts

1487
01:06:59,020 --> 01:06:56,000
extraordinarily interesting and we want

1488
01:07:01,540 --> 01:06:59,030
to introduce them to you so you dear

1489
01:07:05,610 --> 01:07:01,550
listener if you would like to be in

1490
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:05,620
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1491
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:09,290
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1492
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:12,410
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1493
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:15,680
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1494
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:18,710
podcast we have two different websites

1495
01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:22,910
and we are on iTunes and I think we're

1496
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:27,260
on stitcher as well but we are readily

1497
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:28,510
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1498
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:32,530
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1499
01:07:40,030 --> 01:07:36,770
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1500
01:07:42,910 --> 01:07:40,040
our two two websites so please contact

1501
01:07:45,730 --> 01:07:42,920
us particularly if you have an

1502
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:45,740
interesting experience and you would

1503
01:07:51,070 --> 01:07:49,280
like to be in our listeners corner what

1504
01:07:51,700 --> 01:07:51,080
do you say Kay oh yeah come on let's

1505
01:07:53,980 --> 01:07:51,710
hear from you

1506
01:07:56,290 --> 01:07:53,990
you know you you you have to actually

1507
01:08:00,850 --> 01:07:56,300
contribute I think yeah well understand

1508
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:00,860
it right so close up or you can't cause

1509
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:01,970
okay sorry

1510
01:08:10,810 --> 01:08:06,250
well email us whatever or send a message

1511
01:08:13,540 --> 01:08:10,820
through any one of our outlets or if you

1512
01:08:15,130 --> 01:08:13,550
really believe if you really believe you

1513
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:15,140
could just sort of contact us through

1514
01:08:20,860 --> 01:08:18,319
the superconsciousness well yeah you

1515
01:08:23,980 --> 01:08:20,870
could try that you can tension intention

1516
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:23,990
does work intention does work no I'm

1517
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:27,520
getting a message what it's time to go